Laurie Cottrell: Are you ready? I can only stay until 12:50
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): Laurie, we are still getting set up. The session will begin at 12:30 EST.
Laurie Cottrell: Ok I will be back.
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): Welcome! If you do not have audio capabilities on your computer, you can also connect to the audio using a cell or landline phone by:
Moderator (Kristen Turner): Hi Kristen, I'm here
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): Welcome! If you do not have audio capabilities on your computer, you can also connect to the audio/voice portion of this session using a cell or landline phone by following these instructions: 1. Dial 1-866-364-8626; 2. When prompted, press 1 to enter the NCTE conference system; 3. When prompted, enter 1523 followed by the pound (#) key
Laurie Cottrell: Yes I am back. I did not get any pictures uploaded either
Laurie Cottrell: We hav no snow in Florida
Moderator (Troy Hicks): Hi All
Laurie Cottrell: I have pictures from France would they be helpful if I can upload them.
Moderator (Kristen Turner): You will probably be able to use them while we workshop today
Sheila Benson: I couldn't get my stuff on the wiki yet-- sorry! I'm also apparently not getting on with clicking the microphone.
Laurie Cottrell: I plan to put mine up during winter break
Sheila Benson: I adjusted audio and I still can't get the microphone button to click. Do I need to click on the hand raising icon in order to speak?
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): Yes
Kia Jane Richmond: I haven't been raising my hand - is that somehting we need to do?
Kia Jane Richmond: okay
Sheila Benson: I'll just comment in writing.
Moderator (Kristen Turner): reject
Kia Jane Richmond: does everyone have access to digital writing?
Laurie Cottrell: networked
Moderator (Kristen Turner): networked
Kia Jane Richmond: writing is not a container
Sheila Benson: reject, discovering
Moderator (Kristen Turner): process of discovering
Laurie Cottrell: conveyance
Moderator (Kristen Turner): communicative
Sheila Benson: I like conveyance, too-- and not a container
Moderator (Kristen Turner): matter
Sheila Benson: production and distribution
Kia Jane Richmond: writing as action (from image)
Liz Spalding: How do I talk?
Moderator (Troy Hicks): Liz -- you should click on the button in the bottom left corner with the F2 on it.
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): If those who are not talking can turn off their microphones while others are talking, that will help greatly with feedback.
Laurie Cottrell: But does the visual affect imagination? I had my own ideas of their home life..
Kia Jane Richmond: I really hope Tom Romano will add his txt to our wiki
Moderator (Kristen Turner): I will ask him to do so
Kia Jane Richmond: right on - collaboration in mutliple forms
Kia Jane Richmond: liz go first
Liz Spalding: I didn't go to Epcot
Kia Jane Richmond: oh I forgot - duh
Sheila Benson: I didn't, either, which makes me very sad.
Moderator (Troy Hicks): Kristen -- thinking about writing in a different way; this time I focused more on image, audio, video
Moderator (Troy Hicks): Kristen -- there were times where I was writing and trying to "revise" with image
Kia Jane Richmond: I worked with a traditional notebook - which I don't normally do as I have a laptop everywhere I go at NMU and at most sessions at conferences -- but I collaborated with Donna with images
Moderator (Kristen Turner): yea
Moderator (Kristen Turner): and then I missed other things
Moderator (Kristen Turner): I felt like if i didn't have a focus ahead of time, I would miss something important to use in the final product
Moderator (Kristen Turner): collaboration... easier??
Moderator (Troy Hicks): Kia -- writing about things that she took pictures or, or asking her to take pictures of things for me
Moderator (Kristen Turner): and important
Moderator (Kristen Turner): it was very difficult to be a solo writer at Epcot - in all these modes
Moderator (Kristen Turner): yea but I'm a perfectionist
Moderator (Kristen Turner): "a" but not "the" - a shift in thinking
Kia Jane Richmond: but isn't that like our writing students saying that they can't write because they need to be__ (in their room, listening to music, on their own computers, etc.)?
Moderator (Kristen Turner): yes, great point
Laurie Cottrell: I have to go...Have a nice holiday everyone.
Moderator (Kristen Turner): bye laurie
Kia Jane Richmond: I did end up making some sketches - BYE LAURIE
Sheila Benson: There are points, though, where you still have to write, even if it's not your ideal writing conditions-- so students might want to be using multiple modes while writing, but in some situations they can't, so they have to learn to adapt.
Kia Jane Richmond: some poetry teachers at Gwinn HS (Writing Project people) use Wordle in their poetry classes
Sheila Benson: Hurray, I've never done a wordle before!
Kia Jane Richmond: so manpiulate, adapt, change/revise, multi, - these words are important to digital writing, but interestingly, they are not used in the standardized assessment writing that takes the lead in our schools
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): yes
Moderator (Kristen Turner): does standardized assessment take into account real writing?
Liz Spalding: I used Wordle to determine the tpic for one the editorials for the Journal of Teacher Education. I pasted in the abstracts of all the articles in the issue and lo and behold, the theme was TEACHER LEARNING
Kia Jane Richmond: kristen t - i don't think standardized writing does do that
Liz Spalding: Another use my students have for Wordle is that they take notes on their reading, then paste them into Wordle and use the Wordle as a study tool
Moderator (Kristen Turner): great idea liz
Sheila Benson: That's a really good idea-- I'm stealing it.
Kia Jane Richmond: these are great tools - how can we make sure that all English Language Arts teachers (and teacher educators) get these? Here at NMU we have a 2-credit required "ed tech" class, but that's not nearly enough time to get it all in. Do you have suggestions for us bringing this into our methods?
Kia Jane Richmond: I'm teaching a K-12 teaching of writing and feel so overwhelmed with teaching all genres and all ages in all subjects, I'm going to have to really stretch to do that and even more techno - I do give options for the research projects and lesson plans
Kia Jane Richmond: don't worry about it - let's do picnik
Moderator (Kristen Turner): why not let them explore a topic in a multi-modal, multigenre way, an independent study topic
Moderator (Kristen Turner): yes
Kia Jane Richmond: good idea, Kristen T. I do have them do this, but it's so frustrating when they want to learn how to do something new and I don't know how to do it - I usually end up asking the tech guys and gals for help - we do have a help desk here for our students
Sheila Benson: Ooh, I like this idea-- students could have a menu of topics and another menu of technology tools to play with in presenting what they learned about the topic.
Sheila Benson: I'm thinking I need to do more with some of these tools for the summer institute for NWP in June . . .
Moderator (Kristen Turner): got it thanks
Moderator (Kristen Turner): Sheila great!!!!
Kia Jane Richmond: so this picnik thing is so we can load pictures to our wiki?
Kia Jane Richmond: I didn't know there was limited space on a wiki
Kia Jane Richmond: Oh, I get it!
Kia Jane Richmond: Hi Michelle from Iowa!
Sheila Benson: Yay, Iowa! Are you freezing?
mtremmel@iastate.edu: It sure is--good to be working at home today
Moderator (Kristen Turner): so it makes sense to teach our students, who aren't necessarily educators using it for transformative use, to use creative commons at flikr
Kia Jane Richmond: I understand, Kristen T. My problem is - as usual - there are so many things I am supposed to introduce my students to in the content, then I have to add the technology and connections to other subjects, nad the pedagogy, etc.
Moderator (Kristen Turner): it's overwhelming, I know
Kia Jane Richmond: thanks
Moderator (Kristen Turner): thanks for defining that, Troy
Sheila Benson: So in the middle of this discussion, the utility company is searching for a gas line because there's an emergency water leak down the street from my house. So much for focusing on one thing . . .
Kia Jane Richmond: oh my gosh, sheila - get out of the house and save yourself - and any pets in the house!
Moderator (Kristen Turner): I can't wait to re-read this transcript.
Sheila Benson: No, I'm not in any danger-- they're locating the gas line so they can be sure nobody accidentally breaks it while digging for the water line down the street. I'm fine, really.
Kia Jane Richmond: I think she's okay - the leak was water not gas
Kia Jane Richmond: good to hear sheila
Kia Jane Richmond: transition from high school to college writing - common core state standards - isn't this the Harvard creating college comp again?
Sheila Benson: Hey-- what if we used mulitmodal writing to move away from a deficit model and focus on what students CAN write?
Moderator (Kristen Turner): kia, can you please mute your mic
Kia Jane Richmond: that would be awesome, sheila - can we vote for you to take over a school board or state ed program?
Sheila Benson: Ummmm . . .
Moderator (Kristen Turner): ironically, half of my research is on teaching argument and the other half is on the influence of digital language on students
Moderator (Kristen Turner): "literate in multiple contexts"
Kia Jane Richmond: got it
Sheila Benson: We're doing an open institute for NWP this summer around global and local writing, and I think this conversation we're having here can be extended into that venue as well, getting teachers to try things out. I think that's where lasting change has the best chance of happening.
Moderator (Kristen Turner): sheila, what's your site name?
Kia Jane Richmond: When Troy said "ray of hope," I thought about Madonna's "Ray of Light" - And I feel
Quicker than a ray of light
Then gone for
Someone else shall be there
Through the endless years
This is how my brain works, and many of our students have this happening, too.
Sheila Benson: NWP@WVU
Moderator (Kristen Turner): Kia, add this to your wiki page!!!
Kia Jane Richmond: Okay
Kia Jane Richmond: that was a big list of things for us to do in an hour Troy
Kia Jane Richmond: I loved it!
mtremmel@iastate.edu: The other thing I think we need if you're going to have an impact in moving away from the heavy reliance many writing programs still have on the 5-ΒΆ theme is to find ways to work on a systemic level.
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): Will do.
Moderator (Troy Hicks): Thanks!
Liz Spalding: THANKS! BYE
Kia Jane Richmond: my brain's on fire - great day!
Read the transcript
Laurie Cottrell: Are you ready? I can only stay until 12:50
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): Laurie, we are still getting set up. The session will begin at 12:30 EST.
Laurie Cottrell: Ok I will be back.
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): Welcome! If you do not have audio capabilities on your computer, you can also connect to the audio using a cell or landline phone by:
Moderator (Kristen Turner): Hi Kristen, I'm here
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): Welcome! If you do not have audio capabilities on your computer, you can also connect to the audio/voice portion of this session using a cell or landline phone by following these instructions: 1. Dial 1-866-364-8626; 2. When prompted, press 1 to enter the NCTE conference system; 3. When prompted, enter 1523 followed by the pound (#) key
Laurie Cottrell: Yes I am back. I did not get any pictures uploaded either
Laurie Cottrell: We hav no snow in Florida
Moderator (Troy Hicks): Hi All
Laurie Cottrell: I have pictures from France would they be helpful if I can upload them.
Moderator (Kristen Turner): You will probably be able to use them while we workshop today
Sheila Benson: I couldn't get my stuff on the wiki yet-- sorry! I'm also apparently not getting on with clicking the microphone.
Laurie Cottrell: I plan to put mine up during winter break
Sheila Benson: I adjusted audio and I still can't get the microphone button to click. Do I need to click on the hand raising icon in order to speak?
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): Yes
Kia Jane Richmond: I haven't been raising my hand - is that somehting we need to do?
Kia Jane Richmond: okay
Sheila Benson: I'll just comment in writing.
Moderator (Kristen Turner): reject
Kia Jane Richmond: does everyone have access to digital writing?
Laurie Cottrell: networked
Moderator (Kristen Turner): networked
Kia Jane Richmond: writing is not a container
Sheila Benson: reject, discovering
Moderator (Kristen Turner): process of discovering
Laurie Cottrell: conveyance
Moderator (Kristen Turner): communicative
Sheila Benson: I like conveyance, too-- and not a container
Moderator (Kristen Turner): matter
Sheila Benson: production and distribution
Kia Jane Richmond: writing as action (from image)
Liz Spalding: How do I talk?
Moderator (Troy Hicks): Liz -- you should click on the button in the bottom left corner with the F2 on it.
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): If those who are not talking can turn off their microphones while others are talking, that will help greatly with feedback.
Laurie Cottrell: But does the visual affect imagination? I had my own ideas of their home life..
Kia Jane Richmond: I really hope Tom Romano will add his txt to our wiki
Moderator (Kristen Turner): I will ask him to do so
Kia Jane Richmond: right on - collaboration in mutliple forms
Kia Jane Richmond: liz go first
Liz Spalding: I didn't go to Epcot
Kia Jane Richmond: oh I forgot - duh
Sheila Benson: I didn't, either, which makes me very sad.
Moderator (Troy Hicks): Kristen -- thinking about writing in a different way; this time I focused more on image, audio, video
Moderator (Troy Hicks): Kristen -- there were times where I was writing and trying to "revise" with image
Kia Jane Richmond: I worked with a traditional notebook - which I don't normally do as I have a laptop everywhere I go at NMU and at most sessions at conferences -- but I collaborated with Donna with images
Moderator (Kristen Turner): yea
Moderator (Kristen Turner): and then I missed other things
Moderator (Kristen Turner): I felt like if i didn't have a focus ahead of time, I would miss something important to use in the final product
Moderator (Kristen Turner): collaboration... easier??
Moderator (Troy Hicks): Kia -- writing about things that she took pictures or, or asking her to take pictures of things for me
Moderator (Kristen Turner): and important
Moderator (Kristen Turner): it was very difficult to be a solo writer at Epcot - in all these modes
Moderator (Kristen Turner): yea but I'm a perfectionist
Moderator (Kristen Turner): "a" but not "the" - a shift in thinking
Kia Jane Richmond: but isn't that like our writing students saying that they can't write because they need to be__ (in their room, listening to music, on their own computers, etc.)?
Moderator (Kristen Turner): yes, great point
Laurie Cottrell: I have to go...Have a nice holiday everyone.
Moderator (Kristen Turner): bye laurie
Kia Jane Richmond: I did end up making some sketches - BYE LAURIE
Sheila Benson: There are points, though, where you still have to write, even if it's not your ideal writing conditions-- so students might want to be using multiple modes while writing, but in some situations they can't, so they have to learn to adapt.
Kia Jane Richmond: some poetry teachers at Gwinn HS (Writing Project people) use Wordle in their poetry classes
Kia Jane Richmond: good point sheila
Moderator (Troy Hicks): http://ceemultimodal.wikispaces.com/Multimodal_Writing
Sheila Benson: Hurray, I've never done a wordle before!
Kia Jane Richmond: so manpiulate, adapt, change/revise, multi, - these words are important to digital writing, but interestingly, they are not used in the standardized assessment writing that takes the lead in our schools
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): yes
Moderator (Kristen Turner): does standardized assessment take into account real writing?
Liz Spalding: I used Wordle to determine the tpic for one the editorials for the Journal of Teacher Education. I pasted in the abstracts of all the articles in the issue and lo and behold, the theme was TEACHER LEARNING
Kia Jane Richmond: kristen t - i don't think standardized writing does do that
Moderator (Kristen Turner): http://www.wordle.net/show/wrdl/2877346/Twinlife
Moderator (Kristen Turner): My blog
Moderator (Kristen Turner): wordled
Liz Spalding: Another use my students have for Wordle is that they take notes on their reading, then paste them into Wordle and use the Wordle as a study tool
Moderator (Kristen Turner): great idea liz
Sheila Benson: That's a really good idea-- I'm stealing it.
Kia Jane Richmond: thanks - take it!
Moderator (Troy Hicks): http://www.techsmith.com/jing/
Kia Jane Richmond: thanks - sounds a lot like disney creating frames
Moderator (Troy Hicks): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_typography
Kia Jane Richmond: I think this is it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U
Kia Jane Richmond: these are great tools - how can we make sure that all English Language Arts teachers (and teacher educators) get these? Here at NMU we have a 2-credit required "ed tech" class, but that's not nearly enough time to get it all in. Do you have suggestions for us bringing this into our methods?
Moderator (Troy Hicks): http://www.picnik.com/
Kia Jane Richmond: I'm teaching a K-12 teaching of writing and feel so overwhelmed with teaching all genres and all ages in all subjects, I'm going to have to really stretch to do that and even more techno - I do give options for the research projects and lesson plans
Kia Jane Richmond: don't worry about it - let's do picnik
Moderator (Kristen Turner): why not let them explore a topic in a multi-modal, multigenre way, an independent study topic
Moderator (Kristen Turner): yes
Kia Jane Richmond: good idea, Kristen T. I do have them do this, but it's so frustrating when they want to learn how to do something new and I don't know how to do it - I usually end up asking the tech guys and gals for help - we do have a help desk here for our students
Sheila Benson: Ooh, I like this idea-- students could have a menu of topics and another menu of technology tools to play with in presenting what they learned about the topic.
Sheila Benson: I'm thinking I need to do more with some of these tools for the summer institute for NWP in June . . .
Moderator (Kristen Turner): got it thanks
Moderator (Kristen Turner): Sheila great!!!!
Kia Jane Richmond: so this picnik thing is so we can load pictures to our wiki?
Moderator (Kristen Turner): yes
Moderator (Troy Hicks): http://www.picnik.com/
Kia Jane Richmond: I didn't know there was limited space on a wiki
Kia Jane Richmond: Oh, I get it!
Kia Jane Richmond: Hi Michelle from Iowa!
Sheila Benson: Yay, Iowa! Are you freezing?
mtremmel@iastate.edu: It sure is--good to be working at home today
Moderator (Kristen Turner): so it makes sense to teach our students, who aren't necessarily educators using it for transformative use, to use creative commons at flikr
Kia Jane Richmond: I understand, Kristen T. My problem is - as usual - there are so many things I am supposed to introduce my students to in the content, then I have to add the technology and connections to other subjects, nad the pedagogy, etc.
Moderator (Kristen Turner): it's overwhelming, I know
Kia Jane Richmond: thanks
Moderator (Kristen Turner): thanks for defining that, Troy
Sheila Benson: So in the middle of this discussion, the utility company is searching for a gas line because there's an emergency water leak down the street from my house. So much for focusing on one thing . . .
Kia Jane Richmond: oh my gosh, sheila - get out of the house and save yourself - and any pets in the house!
Moderator (Kristen Turner): I can't wait to re-read this transcript.
Sheila Benson: No, I'm not in any danger-- they're locating the gas line so they can be sure nobody accidentally breaks it while digging for the water line down the street. I'm fine, really.
Kia Jane Richmond: I think she's okay - the leak was water not gas
Kia Jane Richmond: good to hear sheila
Kia Jane Richmond: transition from high school to college writing - common core state standards - isn't this the Harvard creating college comp again?
Sheila Benson: Hey-- what if we used mulitmodal writing to move away from a deficit model and focus on what students CAN write?
Moderator (Kristen Turner): kia, can you please mute your mic
Kia Jane Richmond: that would be awesome, sheila - can we vote for you to take over a school board or state ed program?
Sheila Benson: Ummmm . . .
Moderator (Kristen Turner): ironically, half of my research is on teaching argument and the other half is on the influence of digital language on students
Moderator (Kristen Turner): "literate in multiple contexts"
Kia Jane Richmond: got it
Sheila Benson: We're doing an open institute for NWP this summer around global and local writing, and I think this conversation we're having here can be extended into that venue as well, getting teachers to try things out. I think that's where lasting change has the best chance of happening.
Moderator (Kristen Turner): sheila, what's your site name?
Kia Jane Richmond: When Troy said "ray of hope," I thought about Madonna's "Ray of Light" - And I feel
Quicker than a ray of light
Then gone for
Someone else shall be there
Through the endless years
This is how my brain works, and many of our students have this happening, too.
Sheila Benson: NWP@WVU
Moderator (Kristen Turner): Kia, add this to your wiki page!!!
Kia Jane Richmond: Okay
Kia Jane Richmond: that was a big list of things for us to do in an hour Troy
Kia Jane Richmond: I loved it!
mtremmel@iastate.edu: The other thing I think we need if you're going to have an impact in moving away from the heavy reliance many writing programs still have on the 5-ΒΆ theme is to find ways to work on a systemic level.
Moderator (Kristen Suchor, NCTE Staff): Will do.
Moderator (Troy Hicks): Thanks!
Liz Spalding: THANKS! BYE
Kia Jane Richmond: my brain's on fire - great day!